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Nate, you're too much. lol So is it 50%, 75% or 90% of people who are disfellowshipped due to fornication/adultery? It's more that just sex... it's the whole mentality of male female roles and relationships. WC
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I forgot to mention http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pioneeroutreach As that is where Linda and Emily have an ex jw yahoo group.
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WCs said : Basically what I mean is the sin represented a need in my life but I was trying to fill it in the wrong way. The need was not wrong it was the way I was responding to it. ( JWs try to deny the need ) I did not want to say this is what yo…
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lol well if you guys want to talk about Sex There was a cool hip song made in the 80s or 90s "Lets talk about Sex Baby. Lets talk about you and me." lol very catchy. lol I really don't know where the conversations are going to go. Or what you woul…
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Your welcome! Paul Washer really gets them on the ropes, doesn't he? Shame on them for bringing another 'gospel' to a weary, burden-ladened peoples. Christ was refreshing! No meetings did the disciples attend, did they? Was Peter, James and John giv…
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Yes I would be interested in discussing this if it's okay with Nate. I'll wait for his reply.
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Books on Death


Death and the Afterlife by Dr. Robert A. Morey

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Created by Agustin Astacio Oct 22, 2009 at 4:04pm. Last updated by Agustin Astacio Oct. 23, 2009.

Recommended books on JW Doctrinal issues

The Battle for the Resurrection - Dr. Norman Geisler

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We see that a lot and I understand the sentiment behind it but it really should be: WWID...What Will I Do? That's really what's important. Jesus provided the example and he gave us the guidelines but unless we DO then it's of no use to us at all. He’s already done what he was supposed to do and now we must follow the example and admonition he’s left behind. Jesus could have changed the world but he didn’t. His miraculous cures and resurrections, although beneficial for a few temporarily, did not last very long. He cured people of blindness but he did not eliminate blindness. He raised people from the dead but he did not eliminate death. He left the world as he found it but gave the people he encountered not only something to live by but also to pass on to succeeding generations. So What Would Jesus Do? He did it already and now it’s our turn. And what we end up doing should be done not our of peer pressure or because we think others would approve of our actions. It should be because of the convictions of our very essence. - VIP. Healing XJW's Member Ben ".
Some beliefs you may find within this site, please do not be offended...

1) I believe, and have experienced the Bible to be a sacred text which contains the thoughts of God and many of the messages that he wants us humans to understand.

2) I do not accept the Bible as the Only word of God. There are many sacred texts in the world. It doesn't make any sense that our Creator would give his word to only some of his children.

3) I do not believe that the Bible is God's infallible word. It was written down by imperfect men with imperfect preconseptions and misconceptions. My personal belief is that if I were to go by the words written in the Bible exclusive of my own God Given Consceince, I would move from worshipping God to worshipping a book about God.

Please feel free to express your feelings, and thoughts, faith, and beliefs.
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Let us know if anyone would like to post books written by ex jws that you liked, or other books that helped you on your journey.,br>
Websites, books by ex jws:

Crisis of Conscience - by Raymond Franz
A former member of the Governing Body gives a unique insight into the authority structure of that religion.

In Search of Christian Freedom -
by Raymond Franz
Discusses teachings of organizational loyalty, door-to-door activity, disfellowshipping, blood, and many others.

The Truth Will Set You Free-
by Randall Watters
Basic Christian book on doctrine, serving as a a refutation of the Watchtower's new "Knowledge That Leads To Eternal Life" study book.

http://www.freeminds.org/shop.html

Apocalypse Delayed: The Story of Jehovah's Witnesses
M. James Penton
Former Jehovah's Witness and professor emeritus in the Department of History at the University of Lethbridge. As a long-time member of the sect, now expelled, Penton offers a comprehensive overview of a remarkable religious movement. His book is divided into three parts, each presenting the Witnesses' story in a different context: historical, doctrinal, and sociological.

Some of the issues he discusses are known to the general public, such as the sect's opposition to military service and blood transfusions. Others involve internal controversies, including political control of the organization and the handling of dissent within the ranks.
http://www.amazon.com/Apocalypse-Delayed-Story-Jehovahs-Witnesses/dp/0802079733



www.outofthecocoon.net Book title - OUT OF THE COCOON: A Young Woman’s Courageous Flight from the Grip of a Religious Cult


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WE ARE ALL VALUABLE SOULS NEEDING LOVE !

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       You are either having doubts, thinking of leaving the organization, have left, or been kicked out. Or maybe you’re trying to help another out of the Jehovah's Witnesses. This is a great place to heal wounds. We now have the freedom to ask questions, explore, discover and be who we are. We are doing all of this while supporting each other.         Moderator, Sandie's Sanctuary, does invaluable work here through the unconditional love she extends to members and with the design and layout of the site's webpage. Moderator Agustin and the site’s founder Nate co-host the site’s Blog Talk Radio Show, Healingxjws, and provide bible topics and doctrine for discussion and study. Ben and Moderator Watching Crows have created a Bible Study Nook in the Community Groups area of this site. It’s enjoyable to study the Bible outside the Kingdom Hall. Watching Crows has created a community group within Healingxjws called, Exploring the World’s Religions, she can provide support and a listening ear to those who are questioning their spirituality.

       If you are a Christian, have a different spirituality altogether, or have none, you are welcome here. Leaving the JWs is hard work, both mentally and emotionally and we want to hear how you are seeking and finding healing. We invite you to share your struggles and triumphs as you discover new ways to relate to family, friends, and the outside world.

       Join now and support your fellow peers today. We are all great souls who are talented and valuable to God and each other. Feel free to tell us about yourself, your week, and post your photos and / or blogs.

       As we move forward in our healing and in the regaining of our lives, we look forward to the fulfillment of Revelation 21; "HE WILL WIPE OUT EVERY TEAR FROM THEIR EYES. AND DEATH WILL BE NO MORE, NEITHER WILL MOURNING NOR OUTCRY NOR PAIN BE ANYMORE, THE FORMER THINGS HAVE PASSED AWAY".


Your Moderators are: illumiNate –Site Founder Sonja (Mrs Natey) Agustin Astacio Sandie’s Sanctuary Watching Crows


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Less Than Nothing By Agustin J. Astacio Here we exist on this pale blue dot that encircles a small palpable star, Yet you esteem us so much to traverse the distance from your distant throne so far. When I look in wonderment at the cosmos you dared to envision, My mouth is agape at the works of your hands you created with such precision.
We are a mere speck in our galaxy and yet a complexity from your infinite mind, Prepared so carefully on this small planet life was woven in the making of humankind.

There are suns larger than our entire solar system and unexplainable wonders yet discovered, Oh Lord my God I am left sometimes to ponder on how fragile I am in the vastness of such wonders!

Why does not the earth spin into the cold vastness of outer space? What keeps the atmosphere from being stripped by the solar winds preserving my very own face?

Your people that you adore if only they would know the fragile freedoms we are given by your very hands,
How we are as insignificant as the many grains on the seashore even less than grains of sand!

But you oh Lord esteem us so, we are your lovable idiots an unworthy lot.
The Creator of the universe loved us so, You took the microcosmic leap onto this palpable plot.

What can I give in return for just one breath of air?
How can anyone deny you Oh Lord, your love is evident around us protecting us from all despair!

Your people offer empty hands of sacrifice, flawed confessions lacking perfect deeds,
Yet you still love us so though we produce less wheat and more choking spiritual weeds.

I am less than nothing oh God, living on your fragile earth.
We have been so much like Uzzah touching your ark and thinking our hands are more pure than dust of our original birth.

We are less than nothing Oh Lord and yet you love us beyond our own cares,
You traversed the great divide to make something out of the lowly now predestined and prepared!

Lord you are everywhere larger than the vastness of our universe you created and fashioned,
But you traveled the greatest distance when you clothed yourself in our flesh to fulfill your final passion.

The worthless became of great worth when the Creator grand became like his sand,
No, it was not the distance you traveled rather it was when you clothed yourself with the accursed and damned.

We are less than nothing and you span the vast creation,
You joined us in our insignificance and gave us the greatest station.
With you Oh Lord we have cause and purpose in our faint and fragile lives,
Now those that are less than nothing are recipients of nothing less than fullness in you our greatest prize.



Join and meetup with Ex-Jehovah's Witnesses. This community helps Ex JW's post blogs, chat, and create your own forum to express what you really think of The Watchtower Society. Jehovah's Witnesses couldn't have made the truth more clear that Jesus is truly the one that saves. And the ones that hear his voice know their Sheppard. Come and join us www.healingxjws.com Visit Healing Ex JWs
GOD AS LIGHT The theme of God as light was a leitmotif of the entire corpus of writings of St Gregory Nazianzen. The very nature of God in Gregory is most commonly characterized as ‘light’ (fos), and the ‘terminology of light is one of the basic elements of Gregory’s theological language through his entire career as a church writer’ This terminology appears as early as in his Second Discourse, which was delivered after Gregory’s ordination into priesthood: here he says that the angels ‘hardly contain the splendour of God, Who is covered by darkness, for He is light the most pure and inaccessible for most creatures, light which is inside everything and outside everything, which is all beauty and higher than all beauty, which illumines the intellect’. Gregory developed the theme of light in his Ninth Discourse, which he pronounced immediately after his consecration to the episcopate: here he compares God with the sun and claims that for some God is light, while for others He is fire: the one who is not ready to encounter God will be blinded by His light, like children that are blinded by lightning -Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev. -



The image of the sun, which derives from Plato,is one of Gregory’s favourite images when he speaks of God. Gregory uses this image in particular when he speaks of the human person’s striving to God as the highest good:

...From many and great things... which we receive and will receive from God, the greatest and the most generous is our inclination and our kinship to Him. In the realm of intelligible things God is the same as the sun in the realm of sensible. The sun illumines the world visible, while God illumines the world invisible; the former makes bodily sights sunlike, while the latter makes intelligible natures godlike.

The sun, while giving a seer to see and a seen to be seen, is itself incomparably more beautiful than what is seen; in the same manner God, while giving a thinker to think and an object of thinking to be thought of, is Himself the climax of everything intelligible, so that every desire finds its end in Him and nowhere else reaches forward. For there is nothing higher than Him... He is the supreme limit of everything desirable, and in Him every contemplation finds its rest.

St Gregory Nazianzen



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Anointing & Holy Spirit

I am impaled along with Christ. It is no longer I that live, but it is Christ that is living in union with me. Indeed, the life that I now live in flesh I live by the faith that is toward the Son of God, who loved me and handed himself over for me. I do not shove aside the undeserved kindness of God; for if righteousness is through law, Christ actually died for nothing. Galations 2:20,21 NWT

Hebrews 10:15
15The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
16"This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds."17Then he adds:
"Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more." 18And where these have been forgiven, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin. 19Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus

Luke 6:45
The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks


John 8:12
When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life

2 Peter 1:19
...pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts

A Prayer


"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: 23I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. 24"Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. 25"Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. 26I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them." (John 17:20-26)
Romans 8:1-2 NWT
Therefore those in union with Christ Jesus have no condemnation. 2 For the law of that spirit which gives life in union with Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.

John 6: 56 He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me, and I in union with him.

John 15:4-7 Remain in union with me, and I in union with YOU. ....... 6 If anyone does not remain in union with me, he is cast out as a branch and is dried up; and men gather those branches up and pitch them into the fire and they are burned. 7 If YOU remain in union with me and my sayings remain in YOU, ask whatever YOU wish and it will take place for YOU.

You are Abraham's Seed, Partakers!
Gal 3:28,29 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for YOU are all one [person] in union with Christ Jesus. 29 Moreover, if YOU belong to Christ, YOU are really Abraham’s seed, heirs with reference to a promise.



Eph 3:5-7 6 namely, that people of the nations should be joint heirs and fellow members of the body and partakers with us of the promise in union with Christ Jesus through the good news. 7 I became a minister of this according to the free gift of the undeserved kindness of God that was given me according to the way his power operates.



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1 Corinthians 13:2-4 ESV
2And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant

1 John 4:18 ESV
There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.

Matthew 5:8 (King James Version)

8Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

1 John 4:8 ESV
Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.


Matthew 6 (King James Version)


Eclipses and the Transfiguration
Was Jesus A Woman?

THREE CHARACTERISTICS SUGGEST THAT JESUS WAS JEWISH:

1. He went into his father’s business.
2. He lived at home until he was 33.
3. He was sure his Mother was a virgin, and his Mother was sure he was God.

THREE CHARACTERISTICS SUGGEST THAT JESUS WAS BLACK:

1. He called everybody “brother.”
2. He liked Gospel.
3. He couldn’t get a fair trial.

THREE CHARACTERISTICS SUGGEST THAT JESUS WAS A CALIFORNIAN:

1. He never cut his hair.
2. He walked around barefoot.
3. He started a new religion.

THREE CHARACTERISTICS SUGGEST THAT JESUS WAS IRISH:

1. He never got married.
2. He was always telling stories.
3. He loved green pastures.

THREE CHARACTERISTICS THAT SUGGEST JESUS WAS PUERTO RICAN:

1. His first name was Jesus.
2. He was bilingual.
3. He was always being harassed by the authorities.

THREE CHARACTERISTICS SUGGEST THAT JESUS WAS ITALIAN:

1. He talked with his hands.
2. He had wine with every meal.
3. He worked in the building trades.

(and the most compelling observations . . .)

THREE CHARACTERISTICS SUGGEST THAT JESUS WAS A WOMAN:

1. He had to feed a crowd, at a moment’s notice, when there was no food.
2. He kept trying to get the message across to a bunch of men who just didn’t get it.
3. Even when he was dead, he had to get up because there was more work for him to do.

[Author unknown, from Bill Blake]



The power of love came into me, and I became fierce like a lion, then tender like the evening star. - Rumi

We can undergo a Transfiguration under this Eclipse if we so choose. Transfiguration is an actual change of physical form - changes to our bodies and to things in the material, tangible world of 3D. (As mentioned above, changes in the physical are associated with Solar Eclipses; whereas Lunar Eclipses bring changes of a more emotional nature).

The best known example of Transfiguration in the Western world is this passage from the Bible: "Jesus took Peter, James, and John with him and led them up a high mountain, where they were all alone. There He was transfigured before them. His clothes became dazzling white, whiter than anyone in the world could bleach them. And there appeared before them Elijah and Moses, who were talking with Jesus." Mark 9:2-9.

TransfigurationJesus becomes radiant, a nice example of the Leo energies. Then he is trans-formed as if by an Aquarian Lightning Bolt: "The word "transfigured" is a very interesting word. The Greek word is "metamorpho" and it means to transform, literally or figuratively to metamorphose, or to change. The word is a verb that means to change into another form. It also means to change the outside to match the inside. The prefix "meta" means to change and the "morphe" means form. In the case of the transfiguration of Jesus Christ it means to match the outside with the reality of the inside. To change the outward so that it matches the inward reality. Jesus' divine nature was "veiled" (Hebrews 10:20) in human form and the transfiguration is a glimpse of his ultimate glory. Therefore, the transfiguration of Jesus Christ displayed the Shekinah glory of God incarnate in Human form."

We are here to get in touch with that same inner reality, that same Truth - that we are Holy Children of God, and a piece of Heaven (the radical Celestial) incarnated in physical form.

Under this eclipse, and indeed this entire month during the Eclipse Vortex, tremendous Breakthroughs can occur. Longstanding obstacles can be removed and one can move quickly closer to the goal of radiant transfiguration.

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FAITH
Matthew 14
28"Lord, if it's you," Peter replied, "tell me to come to you on the water."

29"Come," he said.

Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus. 30But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out,

"Lord, save me!"



31Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. "You of little faith," he said, "why did you doubt?"
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